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My Dinner with Leonard

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My Dinner with Leonard

A Pizzeria off Wilshire, and Living My Life as if it's Real

David Yaffe
Mar 24, 2023
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“You live your life as if it’s real.”  Leonard Cohen sang this in a song called “A Thousand Kisses Deep.”  It was a contender for a title when I was planning to write a book about him, competing with The Minor Fall, The Major Lift and Songs of Love and Hate.  I had interviewed Leonard on Los Angeles in the beginning of 2015.  We sat at a Pizzeria Uno off Wilshire.  We got a pie with everything but anchovies.  There was a fuzzy radio playing corny hits in the background. I remember having a glass of wine, but did that really happen?  Does Pizzeria Uno have a liquor license? 

We were there to talk about Joni Mitchell, but by the end of the night, we had talked about everything.  Joni had been giving me a hard time. I was doing my final interview with her for a book that was published two years later.  We planned this visit, we made a date, and she was effusive about it.  Then I caught her in a bad mood once I arrived.  I didn’t know why at the time—I learned later—and I spent the week wondering if I had flown to LA on my own dime just to not get the interview I came for. I needed this interview to answer key questions and to fill in the story.  I had accumulated so many questions, had consulted so many expert witnesses.  “I’m surrounded by leeches,” she told me.  “What kind of leech are you?”

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